Sump helicoil

Big lumps of metals and spanners. Including servicing and fluids.

Moderators: User administrators, Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
captain Byrne
Registered user
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 10:01
80-90 Mem No: 7107
Location: Glasgow
Contact:

Sump helicoil

Post by captain Byrne »

Only gone & stripped my sump thread. Have been really careful for years but have noticed the last couple of oil changes the thread was going. Anyway - does anyone know where I can get some 0.8D inserts? I believe the 1.0D's are a tad long?
Cheers,
1983 LHD Westfalia poptop 1.9 DG petrol.

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

You can cut them down but I have not tried it, I just stuck a 1D in, just means you never drain every last drop of oil.
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

User avatar
captain Byrne
Registered user
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 10:01
80-90 Mem No: 7107
Location: Glasgow
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by captain Byrne »

Cheers itchy - ever tried a M15 repair kit? I know they're probably not as good as a helicoil but they avoid the dangers of wonky drilling etc. I don't have a workshop as such so as a quick fix (going on hols next week) could be a stress-fee alternative.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... ROKL5A1OLE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1983 LHD Westfalia poptop 1.9 DG petrol.

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

its not too bad to do
jack the van so you can get a drill in
preferably use a battery drill they are mire controllable
get a piece of plastic tube that just fits the recess
cut the tube dead square check it
use the tube as a guide to getting the drill and tap square

use grease to catch swarf
flush with oil oil or cheap oil before refilling
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

Image
Image
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

could also condsider trying one of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMERGENCY-SUM ... W_q7-doGwg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

User avatar
captain Byrne
Registered user
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 10:01
80-90 Mem No: 7107
Location: Glasgow
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by captain Byrne »

Gonna wimp out I'm afraid & get a M15 repair kit. Can't face the stress of helicoiling a few days before I go away. I'll defo do a proper job when I get back & I like the plastic pipe to keep the bit straight. Don't like that emergency plug at all - how the hell do you get it back out again?
Cheers.
1983 LHD Westfalia poptop 1.9 DG petrol.

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

M14x1.5 helicoil drill size is 9/16" or 14.3mm
if you drill or tap anthing bigger than that forget fitting a M14 helicoil later.

M16x1.5 drill size ( common mod rather than helicoil) is 14.5mm drill size.
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

User avatar
captain Byrne
Registered user
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 10:01
80-90 Mem No: 7107
Location: Glasgow
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by captain Byrne »

So once I've tapped a M15 I'm still ok to put a M16 helicoil in at a later date if necessary?
1983 LHD Westfalia poptop 1.9 DG petrol.

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

captain Byrne wrote:So once I've tapped a M15 I'm still ok to put a M16 helicoil in at a later date if necessary?

Dunno
but I do know you can't add metal back on so think hard about drilling larger sizes.
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

what2do
Registered user
Posts: 2824
Joined: 05 Oct 2012, 08:55
80-90 Mem No: 11974
Location: Salisbury

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by what2do »

A lot of people stress about drilling this hole and I reckon it's because nearly everyone has experience of drilling steel whereas few of us need to drill aluminium. Because it's so soft, you have much greater control of the bit, much slower rpm, thus much less risk of the bit wandering or not being exactly perpendicular. I've said this before, but I genuinely believe it to be one of those tasks that is so much easier than people envisage.

Let us know how you get on.
Why would the glass be anything other than half full?

'89 panel van, 1.9 DG.

silverbullet
Trader
Posts: 16412
Joined: 08 Jun 2009, 09:51
80-90 Mem No: 6908
Location: Surrey Syncronaut #156
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by silverbullet »

itchyfeet wrote:You can cut them down but I have not tried it, I just stuck a 1D in, just means you never drain every last drop of oil.
How did you remove the driving tang on the insert? Guess that you left it on which is risky, it could fatigue and drop off for the oil pump to suck up. The mesh should catch it, but even so...

Sent by Morse code from the bunker

User avatar
captain Byrne
Registered user
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 10:01
80-90 Mem No: 7107
Location: Glasgow
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by captain Byrne »

Driving tang comes out with snipe nosed pliers.
1983 LHD Westfalia poptop 1.9 DG petrol.

User avatar
itchyfeet
Registered user
Posts: 12427
Joined: 23 Jul 2007, 17:24
80-90 Mem No: 12733
Location: South Hampshire

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by itchyfeet »

yep, pliers^^^
1988 DG WBX LPG Tin Top
1989 DJ digijet WBX Holdsworth Villa 3 Pop Top
itchylinks

silverbullet
Trader
Posts: 16412
Joined: 08 Jun 2009, 09:51
80-90 Mem No: 6908
Location: Surrey Syncronaut #156
Contact:

Re: Sump helicoil

Post by silverbullet »

Just checking ;)

Sent by Morse code from the bunker

Post Reply