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Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 02 Oct 2019, 19:32

Well it failed, not surprised.

Bit worried about it all TBH, havent had a look under the van till the morning but the Welding work fills me with dread, esp as I spent £3000 on bodywork 2 years ago.

Front passenger seat is expected as I have a bench seat it was welded at the bottom. Will get someone to put a bar across to keep the back from drooping.

What do you reckon guys and gals

Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):

Driver's seat insecure seat squib (6.2.5 (a) (ii))

Repair immediately (major defects):

Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Passenger's seat with a defective structure (6.2.6 (a) (i))
Offside Front Integral body structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced outer sill (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Offside Rear Integral body structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced outer sill (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Nearside Rear Integral body structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced inner wheel arch rearward (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Nearside Rear Integral body structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced floor (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Offside Rear Vehicle structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced chassis rail (6.1.1 (c) (i))

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):

Rear fog lamp switch not operating in accordance with the requirements tell tail not working (4.5.3 (a) (i))
Offside Steering rack gaiter damaged or deteriorated, but preventing the ingress of dirt (2.1.3 (g) (i))

Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):

travel on handbrake
Nearside Front Child Seat fitted not allowing full inspection of adult belt ()
Oil leak, but not excessive engine (8.4.1 (a) (i))
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby R0B » 02 Oct 2019, 20:30

Blimey. How come most of that lot was not picked up on your last MOT? That bodywork especially. Good luck with getting it sorted.
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 02 Oct 2019, 21:02

R0B wrote:Blimey. How come most of that lot was not picked up on your last MOT? That bodywork especially. Good luck with getting it sorted.


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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby Dobble » 02 Oct 2019, 21:15

Whats a seat squib? I thought squibs were to do with airbags? Not heard of one relating to a seat.
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 02 Oct 2019, 21:27

Dobble wrote:Whats a seat squib? I thought squibs were to do with airbags? Not heard of one relating to a seat.


the only thing I can think is the fact I can take the sitting bit out if i lift the front up. and it doesnt sit that secure in frame. Its from a Nissan.. god knows... will inform tomorrow
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby tobydog » 02 Oct 2019, 22:13

Pic's of the sills, structural?
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 02 Oct 2019, 22:31

tobydog wrote:Pic's of the sills, structural?


Will get them pics up tomorrow once i have had a word with them in the garage
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby Flakey » 03 Oct 2019, 07:37

Probably doesn’t look as bad as it sounds on paper, all standard stuff really!
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby T25Convert » 03 Oct 2019, 12:30

crazyhorse wrote: Driver's seat insecure seat squib (6.2.5 (a) (ii))


Suspect he means squab (i.e. the cushion you sit on).

The welding appears to be all the usual suspects but what did you get done for this:

crazyhorse wrote:I spent £3000 on bodywork 2 years ago.


As I'd have excepted all this sort of thing to have been done then?
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 04 Oct 2019, 14:25

Hi guys here we go..

went to garage.. they dont like welding so they have passed it onto another guy...

£120 all in for some patches to get it through...

ImageIMG_8464 by dyl jones, on Flickr

he had already done this by the time i got there...

ImageIMG_8456 by dyl jones, on Flickr

sills..

ImageIMG_8459 by dyl jones, on Flickr

ImageIMG_8458 by dyl jones, on Flickr

worst one... rear offside chassis

ImageIMG_8465 by dyl jones, on Flickr

biggest problem now is finding a seat or fixing bench seat?? I have a bench seat in with a weld on the corners to support the back (its not self supportive). Thats gone so I have to either find another seat or does anyone know of a bench seat that would fit on the vw runners?
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby T25Convert » 04 Oct 2019, 19:45

To get an MOT take it back without the seat fitted. You’re not obliged to have a passenger seat, and if it’s not fitted they can’t test it.

That will give you as much time as you want/need to find a replacement.....
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby crazyhorse » 04 Oct 2019, 19:53

T25Convert wrote:To get an MOT take it back without the seat fitted. You’re not obliged to have a passenger seat, and if it’s not fitted they can’t test it.

That will give you as much time as you want/need to find a replacement.....


I thought that, but because they tested with seat in does that mean I cant take it out?
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby Oldiebut goodie » 04 Oct 2019, 20:43

I got an defective advisory because my spare tyre was missing! Ridiculous, especially as a lot of cars do not have a spare to begin with. ( I had just had a new tyre put on and was waiting for a day when I felt good enough to shove the bu**er back under)
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Postby 937carrera » 04 Oct 2019, 21:03

Oldiebut goodie wrote:I got an defective advisory because my spare tyre was missing! Ridiculous, especially as a lot of cars do not have a spare to begin with.


That just seems wrong,this is what the current rules say

You only need to inspect the road wheels fitted to the vehicle at the time of the inspection. If you notice a defect on a spare wheel, you should tell the vehicle presenter about it.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/5-axles-wheels-tyres-and-suspension#section-5-2-1

There's nothing in the MOT tester assessment rules about failing to assess a spare wheel itself either.

Back on topic. The welding doesn't look too expensive, just beware that the repair metal may not be of the correct thickness, which means that it will fail again in a couple of years and then you have to bite the bullet for new sills. That is what happened with my CU before I bought it.
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Re: Here we go again...MOT

Postby Mr Bean » 04 Oct 2019, 21:08

Quote: There is no requirement to have a passenger seat fitted, if one is fitted it must conform to MOT standards!22 Jul 2010

As an amusing story albeit linked to the topic by the merest thread:
At age 17 just over 61 years ago I took my driving test in a Fordson 1,100cc side valve Station Wagon (aluminum on wooden body) used for my fathers Business.
It had no passenger seat and contained a 25 gallon drum of animal based glue in the back. So we secured the glue drum at the back and cut the legs off an old armchair and placed it in position for the tester. These were hard times in Hoxton London so the test standards tended to be shall we say sympathetic to the environment.
The test went well although the the testers loose armchair tended to slide about a bit and the series of clattering of the compensating linkages of the rod brakes probably didn't help. This together with the creaking of the bodywork would surely mean a fail.
On top of all that when the tester crashed his clipboard down on the dash for the emergency stop his knees were driven up under the dash as the armchair slid forward and the glue drum broke free and rumbled down to the cab area hitting the rear of the armchair and further crushing the instructor. :shock:
To my and everyone else's surprise I got a pass although it was cruelly suggested that it was done to protest the testing team from further harm. :oops:
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