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Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby Dobble » 19 Mar 2018, 18:15

Hi Guys

We currently have a right hand drive Syncro tintop that were doing up. We're thinking about fitting a poptop roof but being that it requires cutting the roof and with the vehicle being one of only about 2000 made we're not sure weather this is a good idea or not. Can anyone give me some pros and cons for this modification please?

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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby silverbullet » 19 Mar 2018, 20:48

Read up on the Westfalia "Mozaic" conversion and how it differs from the factory built Westies.
Mozaic was the official dealer/aftermarket Westy conversion that was offered by VW.
The roof panel is the big difference.

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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby Dobble » 19 Mar 2018, 22:31

Thanks for your reply. I have found someone with a Westy pop top that's for sale but what I'm unsure about is whether its a good idea to to cut my van up to fit it or not being that its quite rare. Being quite new to the T25 scene I don't feel I know enough to make an informed decision. It would be nice to have the pop top for the standing space but not essential as we're both quite short. When we were looking for a Syncro we really wanted a pop top but settled for the tintop as we only found one pop top for sale and the chap sold it the day before we were due to look at it and we couldn't find another one anywhere.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby R0B » 19 Mar 2018, 23:01

Leave it as it is.I have a tintop (not a syncro) but would never cut a hole in the roof.Tintops rule. :D
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby bene » 20 Mar 2018, 09:14

I would say, do what you want with it....
I get where you are coming from though. I have a RHD factory high top syncro. Its ugly, but i wouldn't change it, but thats mainly because a hightop is useful.
I had a tintop syncro and was going to transplant a westy pop top roof and pop top onto it as it would have been more practical for us but then the hightop came up so i changed my plans.
Anyway. its your van, do what you want to it.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby tforturton » 20 Mar 2018, 10:35

I've got a Syncro that I bought as a Caravelle, and have had a pop-top fitted. The work was done by Ady Joad at Boxwagen in Bournemouth. There is a thread on it (in Bodywork, I think), but the pictures may not be visible since Photobox(?) changed it's settings. I can dig them out if you'd like to seethem. I also believe that Keith had his roof done at the same place - though his took a lot longer then mine - check out his build thread on the Syncro pages (Big Green Syncro, or something like that).
The important thing is to make sure you have the hole edge cut properly, and reinforced to take the weight/force of the roof legs. Ady makes and sells a reinforcing plate which goes round the hole.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby Dobble » 25 Mar 2018, 15:22

Thank you all very much for your input. We have decided at the moment to leave it as is. We can revisit this in the future if we feel the need to do the conversion. The van is currently having a lot of work done to it so we're prioritising getting the van up together first.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby HarryMann » 03 Apr 2018, 22:09

Dobble wrote:Thank you all very much for your input. We have decided at the moment to leave it as is. We can revisit this in the future if we feel the need to do the conversion. The van is currently having a lot of work done to it so we're prioritising getting the van up together first.
... another factor... stealth camping. Tintops not so obvious in an urban environment.
If you aren't committed to a full camper from the word go then leave it.
We may cut a sunroof or a vent in our tintop but if we wanted a Westy we'd probably go and buy one.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby davidoft1 » 24 May 2018, 11:09

I’m looking at doing the same , going to strip my Westy and transfer everything including the poptop roof onto my high top syncro, looking fir any info going from high top to poptop or high top to tin top to give me an idea of how to do it, I believe tin top to pop top is relatively straightforward forward. It’s a factory high top not an aftermarket one.


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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby silverbullet » 24 May 2018, 18:04

Structurally, the genuine Westy pop top has a dedicated roof skin and reinforcement structure, whereas the hitop has no roof skin (at gutter height) at all afaik.
You will have to drill out about 200 spot welds in the gutters, windscreen recess and over the tailgate to release the roof skin and there's a bit of brazing near the corners for good measure ;)

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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby davidoft1 » 24 May 2018, 21:36

silverbullet wrote:Structurally, the genuine Westy pop top has a dedicated roof skin and reinforcement structure, whereas the hitop has no roof skin (at gutter height) at all afaik.
You will have to drill out about 200 spot welds in the gutters, windscreen recess and over the tailgate to release the roof skin and there's a bit of brazing near the corners for good measure ;)

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thats what i thought may be the case, just hoped to see some pictures, it means ive got to have both vans in pieces at the same time which i was hoping to avoid, it a big job to have a go at without any solid details, welding and drillings not a problem, its not all that difficult
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby KINGPRAWN » 27 May 2018, 09:22

Hold out for a hightop!!
Had a westfalia Syncro pop for 15yrs now, I’m this country the pop is just a chore if have finally conceded. The wind noise really gets on your baps, to drive away from your camp is an even bigger pain, and you can’t secretly camp as it’s obvious your camping and not just parked:(
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby 4x4 Bus » 27 May 2018, 09:51

Both factory high top and pop top have dedicated roof skins. The high top skin only goes to the outside of the roof box section but is spacificaly shaped and spot welded to the box section. Hightop also uses the pre 82 gutter shape.
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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby silverbullet » 27 May 2018, 10:04

Possible souces of pictorial information on the tin-top to hi-top conversion may be available on a certain long-running build thread saga by a well-known self-publicist on the samba.com

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Re: Advice required regarding Syncro poptop

Postby 4x4 Bus » 27 May 2018, 10:27

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