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Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby rollercoaster » 21 Dec 2017, 00:19

Fishing about for an alternative motor for my Syncro DOKA,
its currently got a 2.1 WBX.

I am posting this in Syncro to point to topic in Alternative Engine Forum,
as Syncros have a few specific needs that aren't always addressed,
ground clearance/engine protection/exhaust issues,
wading/waterproofing
good spread of smooth torque.

Can anyone add to the specific needs?

At the moment I am happy to be thinking Subaru (again)
but am open to suggestions.

Also, specifically, is there..
someone who has converted syncros successfully to do the conversion for me.

When I got my last one converted, the exhaust was a problem,
but now there is a good one made by Dai, is that right?
Any more recent developments that would help?

Thanks
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby Syncrobaz » 21 Dec 2017, 15:54

I wouldn't be fitting anything non standard to a rare rhd tristar for fear of de-valuing it, we have the same dilemma with our 16" ( jx )
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby rollercoaster » 21 Dec 2017, 23:38

Its ok because I am keeping it!
The only value it has is how much I like it.
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby irishkeet » 22 Dec 2017, 07:45

rollercoaster wrote:Its ok because I am keeping it!
The only value it has is how much I like it.


well said have a look at my thread there is a 2.5 scooby in the van now with Dai's exhaust and a short sump :mrgreen:

Jamie Locker is your man for a scooby conversion, excellent rep, on the Subaru Hybrid Club (FB Group)
http://www.jsgarageaberystwyth.co.uk/

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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby Tinium » 22 Dec 2017, 09:41

My van's booked in with Coast VW (South Molton, North Devon) to get a low milage EJ25 installed in March, so may also be worth giving them a shout - they've done plenty of different Subaru and VW engine swaps, and I've always been pleased with their work on my van.

Conversion includes low profile sump, stainless exhaust and custom ECU that's been specifically setup for the heavier vans, together with all the other bells and whistles that's needed to do it. I've already had the radiator and coolant pipes replaced to get it through last years MOT.

As the gearbox is coming out at the same time and going to Aidan to work his magic, I'm getting the input shaft swapped over so it'll take a standard Subaru clutch, and getting the extra cooling plates etc. installed in the gearbox, hopefully looking to improve it's longevity with the more powerful engine.

And if you listen really carefully to my wallet, you can just about hear my credit card crying already. :)
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby Tinium » 22 Dec 2017, 09:50

irishkeet wrote:...Dai's exhaust...

Ah, forgotten about Dai's exhaust... followed his van on one of the meets and it sounded fantastic :) *fires off pm to Dai*
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby slowcoach » 22 Dec 2017, 09:56

I second Dai s exhaust, it's nice :-) loud, but nice ;-)
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby silverbullet » 22 Dec 2017, 18:37

Dai isnt making exhausts anymore due to supplier issues afaik. He designed it but they were outsourced and thats where the problems started.

Ok I am biased but an EJ25 in its original, reasonably aerodynamic AWD car only returns about 25mpg, so how is it going to do better in a 2 ton brick?

A 2.5 wbx will give you the torque, ground clearance, no parts or compatability issues and its quiet too, with comparable mpg (in the real world) and a similar ticket price.
You get a zero-miles engine too, not a "low mileage, one careful lady owner" mystery lump.

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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby rollercoaster » 23 Dec 2017, 11:14

Just how deep are those wallet sobs Tinium?
At least what are you quoted all in, and are you allowing for overspend?
Coast are closer to me and at least they have more syncro experience,
I have bought a Syncro from them before and had work done..
maybe next time I might be happy, theres always hoping.

Jamie Locker has quoted me provisionally, and I await to hear back with more details.
There are going to be more considerations on a syncro, and with a tacho etc,
and I want to be sure I am quoted an all inclusive price,
by someone who has thought the job through, and hopefully has the experience.

Keet, I imagine you never look in the bottomless pit of overspend,
but if you would care to ever have some kind of audit I would be very interested.
My last conversion I found very unsatisfactory at 4.5 to 5K,
it came back needing work to stop a problematic engine fault,
a very noisy power steering that eventually needed curing with a new pipe
the gearbox needed a refurb, the exhaust cracked and fell off within weeks,
there was no thought about a sump, or engine protection, or much anything really.
The tacho never worked again as it hadnt been thought about prior to loom making.
To top it all the initial engine swap, before all the other work,
kept it off the road, in bits in the converters garage for six months, never again!

Dont like the idea of running anyone down,
however,
in my world I would not leave a client unhappy,
you can see by now that I dont (yet) have anyone to recommend.

I would hopefully have learnt some lessons before going into this again.
And more hopefully use a converter that has learnt by experience as well.

I have tried to PM Dai unsuccessfully so far, interested in his exhaust,
and who he might know to recommend to me.

Silverbullett!
Your work is awesome and inspirational, and I would have confidence.
There would be the more tasteful approach to the rarity and originality of it.
My idea is not for more power, but for more economy and reliability,
but please, if you have some way of quoting for your option, fitted, all inclusive,
I am all ears!
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby irishkeet » 23 Dec 2017, 12:10

rollercoaster wrote:
Keet, I imagine you never look in the bottomless pit of overspend,
but if you would care to ever have some kind of audit I would be very interested.


I have a pretty good idea of what I have spent, ended up spllitting the spread sheet into
mechanical, interior & exterior

to make it look less painful.

Drop me a PM and we can have a chat about it.

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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby silverbullet » 24 Dec 2017, 09:57

If you just want reliability and economy, just fit a fresh 2.1 built from good quality parts and dont drive over 60mph ;)
I know of a certain Westy conversion syncro that returns 32mpg from its MV because it is driven sensibly.
I cannot promise better mpg from a 2.5, the ecu etc are the limiting factor there and remains standard, it doesnt need modifying in this application.

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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby philyoung » 24 Dec 2017, 15:42

So I’ll chip in as I actually own an 025 Motorsport 2.5 WBX. My engine bay looks pretty standard bar the custom oil cooler and remote filter. The engine is tractable, pulls strongly from low revs and I rarely need to change down for hills. It does 22 to 25 mpg in part because I struggle to control my right foot. Expensive, but a brand new engine hand built with top quality components. It pushes a syncro high top to 100mph......
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby jes*b » 24 Dec 2017, 18:40

Is Marco Mansi on this forum? I would like to hear more about his wbx turbo with upgraded EFI and ecu set up. I believe he's brought at least the injection side of things to market and the turbo kit was going to marketed soon. I did see a pic or two on FB . All stateside tho .
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby philyoung » 25 Dec 2017, 13:21

I don’t think Marco’s kit has quite made it to market yet - have to say I’m very interested on the injection/ecu side, not sure I need the turbo. Not cheap though by the time you’ve paid the import duty/VAT.
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Re: Syncro specific engine alternatives

Postby rollercoaster » 29 Dec 2017, 22:50

What about a 20v 1.8T?
Sounds exotic but apparently its a favourable syncro conversion..
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