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rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 27 Nov 2016, 22:06

Please, is there a brake pipe diagram for an early 14” Syncro? Particularly the rear brakes. I’ve been refurbishing the drums brakes and the pipes unions are seized and impossible to undo. I’m trying to see what I’m getting into. Also does anyone know why Brick works don’t seem to make a pipe for the offside rear. Not the trailing arm pipe but the pipe after the flexi hose. Does anyone make this?

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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 27 Nov 2016, 22:22

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ok - I found a diagram - the pipe I'm interested in is the one with the yellow arrow. Is this the same for a Syncro? Is it sold anywhere?
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby captain Byrne » 27 Nov 2016, 22:41

tee3peeo wrote:I’ve been refurbishing the drums brakes and the pipes unions are seized and impossible to undo.


When you say impossible to undo, have you had any heat on them? That usually does the trick.
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 27 Nov 2016, 23:06

thanks captain byrne - didn't try heat - that might have been the solution once - the previously hex shaped union is now round and shiny
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby Aidan » 28 Nov 2016, 06:31

when working on the brake lines be prepared for work to require cutting the pipes so you can get a socket on the unions to undo them and replace the lines, you should have a copy of Bentley if you have a syncro and use the parts catalogue 9Etka or ETOS or online VAGcom etc..) to identify the length of the lines and get new ones made, brickwerks do sell some of them premade but most you have to do yourself, plusgas, heat and patience are the usual requirements; copper pipe is easy to work and shape oneself without tools, cunifer and steel is harder to work you want a small pipe bender to do it yourself
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 28 Nov 2016, 07:57

Many thanks for the advice/suggestions Aidan. I have a Bentley but I couldn't find a description of the brake lines. Is anyone able to say whether the line I've identified is the same on a Syncro or does it have any enhanced routing/features.

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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby Aidan » 28 Nov 2016, 18:46

it's the same as 2wd, 111part number so carried over from the beetle/bay, 285mm
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby hugomonkey » 28 Nov 2016, 21:25

you can buy a complete set of brake pipes already made up in the right lengths if you can't make them yourself
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 29 Nov 2016, 00:20

many thanks Aidan & Hugomonkey - it looks like Brickwerks have it - they just hadn't posted it as 4WD - just need to buy a bucket of plusgas
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby Simon Baxter » 29 Nov 2016, 12:27

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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby Simon Baxter » 29 Nov 2016, 12:31

We don't bother trying to undo anything, just snip the lot off.
They have usually been replaced badly in the past and they are the wrong shape and badly routed, we just put them back to how they should be.
Surprising how many "specialists" deem it safe to run a brake pipe around the bottom of a chassis member in a vulnerable place, right in the way of stones, sticks, jacks etc and are waiting to just get smeared off.
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby syncropaddy » 29 Nov 2016, 18:33

Its so nice to see an aftermarket supplier selling proper brake pipes. So many people use copper pipe these days and if you lived in my neck of the woods, you'd fail your yearly test by doing so. Copper pipe is for plumbing!
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 30 Nov 2016, 08:35

thanks for clarification and links
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby tee3peeo » 30 Nov 2016, 12:35

no-one mentioned the t-piece is the most inaccessible brake-pipe union on the planet
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Re: rear brake pipes and diagram

Postby Aidan » 01 Dec 2016, 06:22

tee3peeo wrote:no-one mentioned the t-piece is the most inaccessible brake-pipe union on the planet


it's one of those jobs you do when the gearbox is out :ok , like doing the tank straps and tank out if necessary
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