That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

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That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby rollercoaster » 04 Jul 2019, 14:49

I must confess to not knowing much about how modern 4x4s work..
so I was very impressed watching an Outback at the Syncropendence Trial.
Apart from the overhanging front bumper, (also grounded out on my Syncro)
it performed brilliantly.

So how does it do that, not diff locks? Traction control?
Is it complicated electronics that are sometimes problematic?

Was that a specially equipped car or just how Subarus come?

I dont even understand 4 Motion on say a Golf.
Would that perform as well?

What else is out there that works well?
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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby silverbullet » 04 Jul 2019, 18:08

It was bloody impressive, no wonder farmers and horsey types like(d) them.

It uses the ABS system to partially brake any spinning wheel and so divert torque to the wheel that has more grip, rather than having expensive torque-sensing (aka torsen) diffs.

Some Subarus had a viscous centre diff too...

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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby toomanytoys » 07 Jul 2019, 21:22

Not all Subaru’s are created equal and not all traction controls are created equal..

The H6 outback has Subaru VDC “vehicle dynamic control” which works much more effectively than most others in difficult conditions.
As Silverbullet says. It utilises the abs system to brake each wheel.
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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby silverbullet » 08 Jul 2019, 06:27

Find yourself a cheap XV or Tribeca if you insist on this behaviour Si? Shorter overhangs and more ground clearance/stepover, H6 3.0 was an option on both iirc

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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby silverbullet » 08 Jul 2019, 06:31

PS the Subaru transaxle & awd system is basically an ur-quattro drivetrain (might even have been licensed from VAG?): the trans has a centre diff on the tail of the 'box and a concentric shaft drives the front diff, the other end of the centre diff drives the rear

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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby toomanytoys » 08 Jul 2019, 13:00

XV got 2L turbo as most powerful and still cost too much
Tribeca cheap but not great for trailing apparently.
Leggy works, improvements can be made. My H6 is pretty well stock so lots could be done.
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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby silverbullet » 08 Jul 2019, 16:24

Only one option then. Put a full size proper engine in the doka. Put it down as an asset on the biz, wont cost you a thing in the long run ;)

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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby Syncrobaz » 11 Jul 2019, 19:25

Hils' TT quattro 225 is in the garage gathering dust, if I could lift it and fit AT tyres ! :idea
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Re: That Subaru in the German Trial, and other potentials

Postby silverbullet » 12 Jul 2019, 11:20

Freelander body plonked on a coiler Landy chassis is the first thing that "springs" to mind

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