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Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 23 Jun 2018, 14:36

In a rush today and took key out quickly. It came out of the ignition with the key in the on position and van continued running.Is this a mechanical fault and do I need to buy a new barrel or just forget about it? I've been going through ignition switches fairly regularly and been trying to take electrical load off it but this gets me thinking that it may have been a mechanical problem with the switch the whole time.
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby bigherb » 23 Jun 2018, 19:42

Usually means the Barrel is worn. Wouldn't affect the ignition switch.
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 23 Jun 2018, 21:09

Thanks for that. One of the pins on the switch had twisted so I wondered if a worn barrel would have done it
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Aidan » 25 Jun 2018, 12:13

me I'd replace it as I would be worried about the steering lock in case someone has tried to nick the van with a screwdriver in the past and not succeeded but done damage, you should not be getting through ignition switches they last 20 plus years even the ones they sell today are good for 10000s of operations
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 25 Jun 2018, 16:41

Elite VW lost the keys when they had my van. I can see that doors can have barrels built to fix existing key does anyone know if I can have an ignition barrel made for my existing key
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Aidan » 25 Jun 2018, 20:08

it is possible but not really doable as there's a pin inside the casting that has to be accurately drilled out to enable the pin to be removed to remove the barrel (Bentley 94.4 fig 7), normally you get a good used or if still available a new ignition lock and then tumble the door locks to suit or buy a complete set that already match
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby chris7ian » 26 Jun 2018, 11:35

I'd suggest replacing the barrel to avoid future mishaps. My old Bay had a similar quirk in that the key could be removed leaving the engine running, which was useful in some circumstances. However, the deciding factor to renew it came after I watched helplessly whilst following my bus being driven by a friend, and on the first slight bend in the road after a stop the steering lock engaged causing a loss of control. The bus mounted the kerb and only narrowly avoided a bus stop (ironcally) before coming to a halt. Fortunately there were no injuries other than a FUBAR'd 17" tyre
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 26 Jun 2018, 13:58

I know what you mean about it being handy. Can lift engine lid without turning off engine. That's a scary story. I'' get it sorted PDQ
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 10 Jul 2018, 20:03

Tried to swap ignition barrel over. I couldn't work out how to remove the old one (which had two small holes) from the housing , I don't know if holes are original or done by the garage when they lost my keys. Can anyone let me know how to remove old barrel? Thanks
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Aidan » 11 Jul 2018, 10:24

if the 3mm hole has been drilled in the correct place then you need a small punch to push out the pin that is in there then the lock cylinder will pull out, probably with a key in it to give you something to pull on, Bentley just says pull out lock cylinder once pin is removed - the pin is probably fitted from the bottom side originally so the new hole is drilled in the top side close to the VW logo to enable the pin to be pushed out

I have never done this job, very few people will have, back in the day 9 times out of 10 you'd just buy a new steering lock housing complete with cylinder or buy a used one complete with ignition key

interesting that your garage lost the keys and 'fixed' the issue - I wonder how exactly they did that - a bodge probably that resulted in poor interlocking with the electrical switch causing repeated failures, maybe ask them What the blithering heck they actually did
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby slowcoach » 11 Jul 2018, 11:51

Yes, use any pointed object (small screw driver?) And push through the hole. There is a spring plate that will be depressed by the screw driver, then pull the key, with it inserted and turned. I don't *remember having to 'punch' any pin out or use any particular force, other than deprresiing the spring plate and pulling..
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Re: Key comes out of ignition in on position

Postby Sir Brixalot » 11 Jul 2018, 15:05

Aidan wrote:if the 3mm hole has been drilled in the correct place then you need a small punch to push out the pin that is in there then the lock cylinder will pull out, probably with a key in it to give you something to pull on, Bentley just says pull out lock cylinder once pin is removed - the pin is probably fitted from the bottom side originally so the new hole is drilled in the top side close to the VW logo to enable the pin to be pushed out

I have never done this job, very few people will have, back in the day 9 times out of 10 you'd just buy a new steering lock housing complete with cylinder or buy a used one complete with ignition key

interesting that your garage lost the keys and 'fixed' the issue - I wonder how exactly they did that - a bodge probably that resulted in poor interlocking with the electrical switch causing repeated failures, maybe ask them What the blithering heck they actually did


It was one of the mess ups at Elite several years ago now. You're right - I'm just going to buy another housing.
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