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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Pinkythelabrat » 23 Aug 2019, 19:18

I’m sure that engine changes are allowed in order to maintain the function of the vehicle but not where performance improvement is the goal. Surely that’s a matter of stated intent though?

If you put a Subaru engine in because it’s the only reliable engine you can source then it’s pretty hard to find one which will match the 68hp or whatever of the original. So it’s an engine replacement to maintain original function, ie a moving vehicle, but performance is also improved as a byproduct.

Mine is only 30 years old so it’s really not an issue for me. Electric conversion with lithium sulfur batteries and an onboard genset is the way forward I think [GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]


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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 19:47

Pinkythelabrat wrote:lithium sulfur batteries


I ignored it in another post you made, but now you've done it again.

Why the American spelling - just curious :)

I used to work for a US chemical / pharma co, and I always used sulphur and colour :)
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Swebby » 23 Aug 2019, 19:54

When I first started teaching science in secondary schools we used Sulphur. There was a ruling made by the RSC and QCA that we would all start to use Sulfur. So that is how is has been taught for quite a while now. Some of my old PowerPoint slides still have the old spelling on!

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Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby clift_d » 23 Aug 2019, 20:07

Pinkythelabrat wrote:I’m sure that engine changes are allowed in order to maintain the function of the vehicle but not where performance improvement is the goal. Surely that’s a matter of stated intent though?


The guidance is:

Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered a substantial change. If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original, it is likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment.


Given that they’re looking for the same type of engine or contemporary OEM alternatives I think it would be difficult to make a case that a Subaru engine was not a substantial change.
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby shepster » 23 Aug 2019, 20:31

It's the MOT that is affected by changes not the free road tax isn't it?

I've a few old bikes that are tax free and there was never a stipulation regarding changes.

Might have altered when the no MOT law caught up though?
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 20:47

sorry - OT

Swebby wrote:When I first started teaching science in secondary schools we used Sulphur. There was a ruling made by the RSC and QCA that we would all start to use Sulfur. So that is how is has been taught for quite a while now. Some of my old PowerPoint slides still have the old spelling on!


Not entirely a consensus decision. I have now found out that IUPAC also determined that element 13 is definitely aluminium, except when people use aluminum. Caesium is also subject to abuse. Plain old IPA has also gone by the wayside in academia by the same route, I just looked on Fischer Scientific and it was full of 2-Propanol as well as Isopropanol, but thankfully no sign of propan-2-ol

Interesting thread here http://my.rsc.org/forums/viewtopic/39/2567

Pah, it's all fire and brimstone, or is that plasma and brimstone ?
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 20:51

shepster wrote:It's the MOT that is affected by changes not the free road tax isn't it?

I've a few old bikes that are tax free and there was never a stipulation regarding changes.

Might have altered when the no MOT law caught up though?


It's the taxation class that changes to Historic.

Recent changes created a new MOT exemption for vehicles, based on the same 40 years timeframe for historic tax.

There's a declaration made when you tax (at zero cost) a historic vehicle. I benefit from this on other cars, but it's a while since did one so am a bit rusty.
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Pinkythelabrat » 23 Aug 2019, 20:54

I personally dislike the American spelling of Sulphur but I’m a pharmaceutical chemist and the drug name systems use Sulfur since the ‘stupiding’ a while back which standardised drug names. If I use ‘ph’ it doesn’t recognise it.

Sorry it’s offensive.




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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 21:13

I didn't say or imply it was offensive, I was just curious, maybe you were from over the pond, or somewhere else

Incidentally I just checked with my daughter, who is about to embark on year 3 or 9 depending where you count from. I gave her a spelling test and her school uses the ph.

I just awarded her chemistry teacher a virtual gold star, we like him anyway. :)
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Pinkythelabrat » 24 Aug 2019, 08:49

I find it offensive. [GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES] basically there was an international symposium to decide drug names once and for all for everyone... and the US sent twice as many delegates as everyone else and voted in their silly spelling.

Also ‘levo’ thyroxine - because it wasn’t obvious that we’d use the active form? Amoxicillin instead of Amoxycillin - who invented it anyway? Bendroflumethiazide? When does meth EVER get a mention? Ever?!?

It is noted that I’m amongst friends and shall delightedly use PH spellings from now on. Down with THE MAN! [GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]


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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Pinkythelabrat » 24 Aug 2019, 08:49

Sorry to clog the thread. Rant over. (Sulphur [WINKING FACE])


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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Oldiebut goodie » 24 Aug 2019, 10:40

Realize that the z was in use before the s. :lol:
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby silverbullet » 24 Aug 2019, 17:33

Never confuse English with American*. Its not the same. Different language, different spellings, different culture.

*or confuse an American with English ;)

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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby tobydog » 31 Aug 2019, 18:37

937carrera wrote:Plain old IPA has also gone by the wayside in academia

What's beer got to do with it? :)
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