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Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 08:27

Hi All

Just wondering how many of you have avoided significant changes to get the benefits of no road tax?

I see the allure of this but does it not spoil some of the fun of customising your van?

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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Oldiebut goodie » 23 Aug 2019, 09:46

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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Mocki » 23 Aug 2019, 09:56

Only the VERY easiest t25 will be able to do this so far ?
Frankly for the sake of 78p a day is it worth the hassle ?
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 10:23

Oldiebut goodie wrote:Que? ماذا؟


When a vehicle gets to 40 years old you can apply for road tax exemption however there are strict rules around what you are and are not allowed to do to the vehicle I.e. what they call substantial change.

Examples of this might be :

Lowering
Upgrading wheels / alloys
Changing engine

I’d quite like to do things to my van and was curious what others opinions of it were.

Hope this helps (I’m new to all this)

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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 10:47

Can you provide a source for this "information"

My understanding is that changing engine, probably will, the others do not.

Historic tax is a self declared process as well, there's no inspection process in the normal course of events.

£265 a year is certainly important enough for me to be bothered about
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby clift_d » 23 Aug 2019, 10:49

There's quite a lot that can be done without counting as a 'substantial change'.

For example, as long as the 'type and or method of suspension' doesn't changes, then the guidance appears to suggest that you should be able to lower your van without issue, after all some of the Caravelle T25s had lowered suspension anyway. Obviously if you slam it onto air suspension, or go really really low, then that's likely to count as a substantial change. Changing wheels doesn't appear to be listed as a substantial change, but engine changes probably are.

With regard to the possible justifications for getting historic vehicle status:
- exemption from VED
- exemption from MOT testing
- exemption from LEZ charges, for example if you have a Doka, which can cost £100.00 per day inside the M25
- exemption from ULEZ charges, which is worth £12.50 per day in central London

Given that low emission zones are due to be rolled out in around half-a-dozen other cities around the UK I suspect historic vehicle status may quickly become a consideration for most of us.
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 10:50

937carrera wrote:Can you provide a source for this "information"t


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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 11:07

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Alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered to be a substantial change.

If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original it’s likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment.


Do you think that means an upgrade from a 1.9 DG to a 2.1 would be allowed then?
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 11:15

Fun. wrote:
937carrera wrote:Can you provide a source for this "information"t


https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... n-criteria


That's fine then, that's where I have been before

Lowering is not alteration of the type or method of suspension and there's no mention at all of wheels.

Engine changes are also OK, eg DG > DJ, the interpretation will come where people have a Subaru instead of a VW engine, though an argument can be made that they are the same basic design, being 4 cylinder boxer engines, similary petrol <> diesel changes could also be fine if using VW engines.

The internet can be a good source of information, it can also be used to circulate wrong information, inncocently or otherwise
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 12:12

937carrera wrote: it can also be used to circulate wrong information, inncocently or otherwise


Wasn't attempting to circulate bad info, was paraphrasing which is quite probably worse :oops:
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 12:13

and bad spelling :oops:
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 12:25

937carrera wrote:and bad spelling :oops:


Where? I'll go and give my self a thousand lashes...
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby 937carrera » 23 Aug 2019, 12:37

No, MY bad spelling :oops:
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby Fun. » 23 Aug 2019, 12:40

937carrera wrote:No, MY bad spelling :oops:


You can finish my lashings then :ok
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Re: Did you avoid changes for free road tax?

Postby silverbullet » 23 Aug 2019, 15:49

Fun. wrote:
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Alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered to be a substantial change.

If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original it’s likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment.


Do you think that means an upgrade from a 1.9 DG to a 2.1 would be allowed then?
Should be ok with the wbx6 as it is still a horizontally opposed pushrod engine, has VW Audi logos cast on it and is year-correct for the bus B-)
I also have a set of 3.2 TÜV homologation papers on file ;)

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