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Postby R0B » 31 May 2018, 06:44

Learner drivers are allowed on the motorway from next week.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby Titus A Duxass » 31 May 2018, 06:46

And about time to.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby itchyfeet » 31 May 2018, 06:48

If it improves the standard of motorway driving it will be better in the long run, unfortunately we will have to wait another 60+ years for all the existing motorists who never learnt to drive on a motorway to die off.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby 937carrera » 31 May 2018, 09:43

Why such a downer on existing drivers. None of us "learnt to drive" on a motorway, the current standards of driving on motorways and elsewhere has been caused by continual dumbing down of driving as a skill to be acquired & developed and the focus on only one aspect.

Are learners allowed on the Autobahn ?
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby Chalawandan » 31 May 2018, 10:34

German driving test is a lot more comprehensive and learning includes compulsory hours on the autobahn in real high speed driving situations and a lot more difficult theory test.

Most of the autobahn network is two lane only, so you can't hog the 'middle lane' - its a choice of slow with lorries or fast with unrestricted german performance cars..
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby 937carrera » 31 May 2018, 10:44

Good to know that, thanks, I thought that might be the case. I've spent a lot of time on the continent and never had any problem adapting to Autobahn driving and would like to believe that the Germans would think I was native. I do however find that the lanes are narrow when roadworks are in place, makes you breathe in :shock:
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby sarran1955 » 31 May 2018, 10:50

Hello,

French driving test, only through approved training centre. Cost 1200€
1 hr 'la code de la route' with computer multi choice questions..your score must be at least 15/20

2 hrs driving test, in all conditions, including motorway and often night driving.

Then you get an 'A' plate so only 6/12 points on it for 3 years,

ANY drink related incident means the automatic withdrawal of the 'permis'

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Postby Titus A Duxass » 31 May 2018, 10:55

Chalawandan wrote:Most of the autobahn network is two lane only, so you can't hog the 'middle lane' - its a choice of slow with lorries or fast with unrestricted german performance cars..

I'd argue against that.
Plus, where there are three lanes or more the German drivers are just as bad as the UK at middle laning.
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Postby ash1293 » 31 May 2018, 11:14

Just as a side note they reckon over the last decade the number of teenagers learner to drive has dropped by around 30%, those under 25 20%.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby itchyfeet » 31 May 2018, 11:26

937carrera wrote: None of us "learnt to drive" on a motorway


I did, after I passed my test I had motorway lessons so I learned the skills needed.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby itchyfeet » 31 May 2018, 11:33

Just last week I was crawing in traffic becuse a number of cars had a shunt, presumably becuse they awere going too close too fast or a number of people just pushed into their braking zone at speed and without warning, either that or they were on their mobiles, however it happened bad driving has to be the cause IMO.

So driving in the queue at say 20mph and just passing the crash which is now on the hard shoulder ( I'm in the inside lane) and there is another shunt in the outside lane, I assume on the phone telling somebody they will be late or rubber necking and as if that was not enough these clowns decided they were both going to get into the hard shoulder as fast as possible and at speed they cut through two lanes of trafic at a sharp angle one of them very nearly hit me becuse the paid no consideration to the rules of the road.

Motorway training may not solve the problem but you certainly can't teach an old dog new tricks you have to start when they are younger.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby 937carrera » 31 May 2018, 11:37

:D

I insisted on taking a driving lesson in the snow when my instructor wanted to call it off. I also asked for a lesson after passing my test on double declutching.

Given the way some Learner cars are driven by the instructors (same for non traffic Police vehicles), I'm far from convinced that todays learners are getting the right education.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby Chalawandan » 31 May 2018, 11:48

I'd argue against that.
Plus, where there are three lanes or more the German drivers are just as bad as the UK at middle laning.


OK, You'll know better than me, most of my time living in NRW and driving through rural areas on two lanes, mostly away from the conurbations. Had a quick look for stats, and couldn't find much to support my statement! wikipedia: "Most sections of Germany's autobahns are modern, containing two or three, sometimes four lanes in addition to an emergency lane (hard shoulder). A few other sections remain in an old state, with two lanes, no emergency lane, and short slip-roads and ramps."
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby Chalawandan » 31 May 2018, 11:49

I'd argue against that.
Plus, where there are three lanes or more the German drivers are just as bad as the UK at middle laning.


OK, You'll know better than me, most of my time living in NRW and driving through rural areas on two lanes, mostly away from the conurbations. Had a quick look for stats, and couldn't find much to support my statement! wikipedia: "Most sections of Germany's autobahns are modern, containing two or three, sometimes four lanes in addition to an emergency lane (hard shoulder). A few other sections remain in an old state, with two lanes, no emergency lane, and short slip-roads and ramps."

I support the UK change to put learners on the motorway.
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Re: Be careful out there

Postby 937carrera » 31 May 2018, 11:54

itchyfeet wrote:Motorway training may not solve the problem but you certainly can't teach an old dog new tricks you have to start when they are younger.


Not sure about that. I had to take a couple of driving tests about 10 years ago, class C, then C + E. I did learn something in the process, though the theory and hazard perception aspects were a doddle. :) woof woof

This isn't an argument for compulsory re-testing by the way, I'm against that.
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