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Possible return to T25s...

Postby T25Convert » 08 Jan 2018, 16:32

A couple of years ago I had a T25 and used to frequent 80-90 - did the paint with a roller trick and rebuilt the engine, but rust finally got the better of me and sold it on to someone with a welder. I regret this decision greatly.

I then had a moment and bought a bay window. After struggling on with 55mph top speed, overheating on long runs, lack of decent heating and the arrival of the third child its days are numbered and its time to sell it on. I also don't like taking it places as it attracts unwanted attention.

Which leaves me thinking of a 'new' van, another T25, bit of a project. I don't want a camper, just need seating for 5 and a bit of space for taking stuff camping (or more likely the tip and Ikea). I also want to be able to use car parks with height barriers, so thinking lowered tin top.

So options as I see it:

1) Doka - great, but rare (ish) and possibly outside my budget - that said if the one for sale in the classifieds at the moment was RHD I'd already be off to buy it!

2) Caravelle - don't seem to be many left, people seem to be turning them into campers!

3) Buy a home brew camper, rip out the camper bits and put some proper seats in.

4) Buy a cheap high top, rip the roof off and put a fabric sunroof in.

Few questions to help me with my decision making:

1) Any particular issues beyond the normal T25 ones (mmm.... seam rust) to look out for when looking at DOKAs?

2) How rare are caravelle seats - there is a set on ebay for around £200. Is this fairly typical?

3) Anyone got a decent size fabric sunroof? Is it good, or just cold and drafty? I've had enough of cold and drafty with the bay!

4) I had the 1.9DG engine, is the 2.1 much more capable (bearing in mind anything over 55mph is a win right now)!

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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby DoubleOSeven » 08 Jan 2018, 18:00

1) Any particular issues beyond the normal T25 ones (mmm.... seam rust) to look out for when looking at DOKAs?
http://wiki.club8090.co.uk/index.php/Mi ... yers_guide

2) How rare are caravelle seats - there is a set on ebay for around £200. Is this fairly typical?
Pass, buy a Caravelle though, get the wall & roof insulation from factory and cheeky extras already built in, arm rests, intermittent wipe, rear wiper, little stuff but all adds up.

3) Anyone got a decent size fabric sunroof? Is it good, or just cold and drafty? I've had enough of cold and drafty with the bay!
Sounds a bit nip, we hired a splitty once, it had a full length sunroof, opened it to see if it worked and that was about it-never used it. I wouldn't go down this route personally, in fact thinking about it, I've never seen a T25 with fabric sunroof, might be a nice rarity?

4) I had the 1.9DG engine, is the 2.1 much more capable (bearing in mind anything over 55mph is a win right now)!
2.1 is an improvement, especially on those long runs, overtaking lorries is no longer an issue for a start. But plenty here with 1.9's, some with both. Factory 2.1 injection will be high price, perhaps buy a 1.9 and do the bottom end swap yourself if you can find a good DJ or MV or buy a crank and pistons and do it yourself.

Anyway, good luck and welcome back.

*Not too many T25's get stolen compared to the air cooled lot; but I'd still recommend a secret immobiliser switch somewhere & you'll be fine for peace of mind.
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby T3luestar » 08 Jan 2018, 19:26

I had a very similar wish list when I was looking to buy a van, non camper, lots of seats, ease of use etc. So I ended up with a 2.1 Multivan, it's great as a family bus, plenty of room in the back for luggage and you can all still sit in the back around the table at dinner time! You've also still got luxury of a king size bed when camping.
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby itchyfeet » 08 Jan 2018, 20:41

Yes be good to see you back, your rebuild thread inspired me.
and yes a 2.1 is worth it, but not worth walking away from a good van over it, you can always swap it out.

Caravelle seats go for 300 quid plus if A1

Buy whatever is not rusty is my advice

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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby Moonrakers » 09 Jan 2018, 08:37

Itchyfeet wrote "buy what isn't rusty" and whatever else there is to say, that's got to be the simplest and most important guide, if you can find a van with a solid body you'll have won the game.

You can peobably afford to ignore high-tops (and experimental, potentially expensive sunroof conversions), there are plenty of pop-tops and tin-toos about to choose from. Other than that, anything goes unless you have the budget for the dream Caravelle with a 2.1. Don't think twice about a 1.9 if you find one in a good van - a healthy one will rarely feel too slow (especially after a Bay!) - mine will sit at 70 all the way down the motorway without complaint if I ignore the grim fuel consumption figures that a large metal rectangle achieves at that speed. Bear in mind that your Bay probably wasn't doing 55 anyway, just lying via the under-reading speedo, so a 1.9 at 65 will feel quick enough.

Spend more for a good Caravelle or Multivan if you can get the funds together (maybe £7-8000 for the really noce ones) as it will retain it's value through your ownership better than a cheaper home-brew or modded example. Good luck...
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby LeeME3 » 09 Jan 2018, 14:10

Re car park barriers...my tin top sits standard height, in fact maybe a bit high as it has overrated springs. Managed to get into 99% of barrier car parks no probs. Since then I've added a Westy pop top which with the skylight adds a fair few inches to the vehicle height and still had no issues (with the pop top lowered...obviously!)
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby T25Convert » 16 Jan 2018, 13:29

Thanks all for the replies.

"Rust free as possible" is the dream, but probably not the reality.

After some going round in circles my wife got bored of listening and has told me that a doka is the way forward apparently - not going to argue with that!

So just a couple of jobs to do on the bay and its on eBay with it. then I just need to hunt down a decent RHD doka - how hard can that be!!
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby bayanddoka » 16 Jan 2018, 23:37

Bought a Doka as my second VW, (also have a bay). It is awesome, nippy, can get the family in, can pull our eriba great. Took me around 5 years to get the right van though!


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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby itchyfeet » 17 Jan 2018, 19:24

One on ebay now very cheap and totally rust free :D LHD though

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-T ... 0005.m1851



T25Convert wrote:Thanks all for the replies.

"Rust free as possible" is the dream, but probably not the reality.

After some going round in circles my wife got bored of listening and has told me that a doka is the way forward apparently - not going to argue with that!

So just a couple of jobs to do on the bay and its on eBay with it. then I just need to hunt down a decent RHD doka - how hard can that be!!
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby T25Convert » 18 Jan 2018, 12:55

itchyfeet wrote:One on ebay now very cheap and totally rust free :D LHD though

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-T ... 0005.m1851



Funny enough until I sell the bay that's pretty much my budget too.... might have to invest!

This one is calling to me - rip off the bull bars and give it quick tickle with some lurid rustoleum shade https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-T25-crew-cab/142655325449?hash=item2136eb8509:g:194AAOSwRbtaFA~C
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Re: Possible return to T25s...

Postby itchyfeet » 18 Jan 2018, 17:05

whats under the cheker plate is the worry
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