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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby what2do » 01 Dec 2019, 22:38

It's not a fact. That article was discredited before the ink had dried and a show was made of the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology, I remember studying it at Harper Adams.


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what2do wrote:Heavens above, I can't believe the number of posts that are claiming animals are 'pumped full of antibiotics'. Sick animals are treated with medication in the same way your mother, brother, aunt, kids would be, are people suggesting it would be an improved method of farming to deny the animals the drugs, stuff good husbandry and let them suffer in pain?

I've always considered red meat to be quadrupeds, simple.

My old friend the game keeper always used to see the world desperately needs a famine, world war or global epidemic to rid the planet of it's population problem. Not the words we'd hear from politicians but I think he hit the nail on the head.

Birth control similar to that employed by China has led to massive problems, there aren't enough people to look after the aging population, so I'm not convinced that's a straight forward solution either.

To answer the original query, yes meat is a threat but it's not the only threat, inefficient T3 vans are a contributor too. Cripes, did I say that out loud????


It's not a 'claim' it's a fact.

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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby itchyfeet » 02 Dec 2019, 07:47

what2do wrote:It's not a fact. That article was discredited before the ink had dried and a show was made of the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology, I remember studying it at Harper Adams.



Some people will believe anything they read.

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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby Sir Brixalot » 02 Dec 2019, 09:16

Had to look it up - it's a higher education facility for the agricultural sector. No vested interest there then. It's doing its bit though to limit animal numbers by taking part in the Countryside Alliance shooting parties
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby Oldiebut goodie » 02 Dec 2019, 12:01

That article is 20 years old and American and we all know how the USA overuse antibiotics on their livestock.
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby silverbullet » 02 Dec 2019, 13:42

Oldiebut goodie wrote:That article is 20 years old and American and we all know how the USA overuse antibiotics on their livestock.
To mis-quote the old adage:

"they'll just drag us down to their level and beat us with experience"

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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby what2do » 02 Dec 2019, 18:36

Sir Brixalot wrote:Had to look it up - it's a higher education facility for the agricultural sector. No vested interest there then. It's doing its bit though to limit animal numbers by taking part in the Countryside Alliance shooting parties



And your point is sir? Did you happen to look at their prospectus? I think you'll find organic husbandry and crop production has a significant role in it's teachings.
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby silverbullet » 02 Dec 2019, 19:19

I'll just post this again. Watch the programme, share the link if it resonates with you.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bqsh

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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby itchyfeet » 02 Dec 2019, 19:53

silverbullet wrote:I'll just post this again. Watch the programme, share the link if it resonates with you.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bqsh

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Ahh the great BBC , no bias there then :rofl
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby silverbullet » 02 Dec 2019, 20:09

At a guess, you havent watched it then? I detected no bias in the programme, it is deeply critical of intensive farming and food production around the world.

For anyone who appreciates ethically produced, good organic veg with minimal food miles, you could do worse than visiting www.riverford.co.uk.

We've been getting their vegboxes for 20 years.

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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby itchyfeet » 03 Dec 2019, 07:51

silverbullet wrote:At a guess, you havent watched it then?


Correct.

BBC is in the business of making money like any other business and viewing ratings are top of it's list.
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby nicq » 03 Dec 2019, 08:46

itchyfeet wrote:
silverbullet wrote:At a guess, you havent watched it then?


Correct.

BBC is in the business of making money like any other business and viewing ratings are top of it's list.


That's got to be the worst reason for not watching a great programme."BBC is in the business of making money"
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby itchyfeet » 03 Dec 2019, 14:29

nicq wrote:
itchyfeet wrote:
silverbullet wrote:At a guess, you havent watched it then?


Correct.

BBC is in the business of making money like any other business and viewing ratings are top of it's list.


That's got to be the worst reason for not watching a great programme."BBC is in the business of making money"



its not the reason I didn't watch it, ts the reason I said no bias there then.

Their wildlife programmes are well known to use old footage , CGI and some factual creativity to get you watching for viewing ratings then they expect me to believe al theiir programmes are not done that way.
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby R0B » 03 Dec 2019, 14:33

The best thing to do is to watch it and tell us what you think. :idea
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby Jim San » 03 Dec 2019, 16:38

Slight tangent but still relevant - what about milk! It used to be my fave drink.

When my wife went vegan, she brought in alternatives which she asked me to try. Oat milk, I was determined to hate but it is really nice on cereal (I don't have milkk in hot drinks).
I actually now prefer it.

Also, when you discover what is allowed in milk, it makes you think you know what, I can do without it !! or should we all be allowed to carry on blissfully unaware?

Keeping cows in a perpetual state of pregnancy just to maximise milk production is a pretty mean thing to do - we don't need it - it isn't good for the cows health, it shortens their life, it also results in 1000s of male calves who don't end up having a life at all - we really are ruthless about producing something we don't need!
My predecessors are dairy farmers, some of my relatives still do it, they'd probably strike me off their ~Christmas Card list if I wasn't already and likely come up with some BS in an attempt to justify the industry.
We do the same to chickens!! and I bloody love eggs!
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Re: Meat: a threat to our planet?

Postby itchyfeet » 03 Dec 2019, 17:06

R0B wrote:The best thing to do is to watch it and tell us what you think. :idea


I already told you what I think, here is a reminder. :lol:

itchyfeet wrote:it's not meat that's the threat in my opinion.
What is a threat is far too many humans but nobody with kids will to admit they are part of the problem.


itchyfeet wrote:I think food is possibly not such a big issue as consumer goods, we have to eat we don't have to have goods.
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